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>> Bonnie: THIS WEEK ON TO THE CONTRARY: FIRST, HOW WOMEN VIEW THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY.

THEN, FIRE DRILL FRIDAYS.

JANE FONDA HELPS RALLY ACTIVISTS TO FIGHT FOR CLIMATE JUSTICE.

AND, NEW INFORMATION THAT COULD BE A MAJOR WIN FOR THE #METOO MOVEMENT.

MOVEMENT.

HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE.

WELCOME TO "TO THE CONTRARY," A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

UP FIRST, WOMEN AND THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY.

WOMEN FAVOR THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY MORE THAN MEN ACCORDING TO A NEW POLL BY NPR AND MARIST.

FIFTY-FIVE PERCENT OF WOMEN APPROVE OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES' PROBE, WHILE 45 PERCENT OF MEN AGREE.

AN EARLIER WASHINGTON POST/ABC NEWS SURVEY FOUND FIFTY-SIX PERCENT OF WOMEN BACK IMPEACHING PRESIDENT TRUMP AND REMOVING HIM FROM OFFICE VERSUS 42 PERCENT OF MEN.

THESE NUMBERS POINT TO A MORE IMPORTANT TREND: WOMEN, AND IN PARTICULAR WHITE WOMEN, ARE TURNING ON THE PRESIDENT DESPITE BACKING HIM IN 2016.

PRESIDENT TRUMP STILL HAS THE SUPPORT OF SEVERAL FEMALE LAWMAKERS, INCLUDING REPRESENTATIVE ELISE STEFANIK OF NEW YORK WHO HAS BEEN FRONT AND CENTER DURING THE IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS AS THE ONLY REPUBLICAN WOMAN ON THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE.

ALTHOUGH THE REPRESENTATIVE HAS DISAGREED WITH THE PRESIDENT ON TARIFFS, THE BORDER WALL, AND VLADIMIR PUTIN, STEFANIK HAS DEFENDED PRESIDENT TRUMP THROUGH THE IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS.

>> Bonnie: SO, REPRESENTATIVE NORTON, HOW IS IT THAT THERE IS A GENDER DIVIDE ON THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY?

>> CONSIDER THIS, BONNIE: WOMEN LEAD DEMOCRATS AND TAKING BACK THE HOUSE, IN DOING SO, THEY WERE MAKING A STATEMENT, NOT ONLY ABOUT REPUBLICANS, BUT ABOUT TRUMP HIMSELF.

>> YES, THIS IS EXACTLY REFLECTIVE OF THE 2016 GENDER GAP WHICH WAS AN 11 POINT GAP.

NOW IT'S A 14 POINT GAP WITH THE IMPEACHMENT.

I THINK IT'S LARGELY REFLECTING WOMEN'S VIEWS TOWARDS TRUMP GENERALLY.

>> ANYTHING ABOUT IT, WOMEN OF SEEING THIS PRESIDENT ACCUSED MULTIPLE TIMES OF SEXUAL ASSAULTS, THERE HAVE BEEN NO CONSEQUENCES.

I'M NOT SURPRISED THEY WENT TO SEE HIM ON TRIAL.

>> THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THEY WOULD NOT SUPPORT HIM IN 2020.

I THINK WOMEN SUPPORT -- IT MAY NOT DROP AS MUCH AS WE THINK DESPITE IMPEACHMENT.

>> Bonnie: WHY WOMEN -- WHITE WOMEN IN THE SUBURBS ARE THEY FINALLY GETTING A CLUE FROM WOMEN OF COLOR?

>> BECAUSE WHITE WOMEN IN THE SUBURBS, THEY HAVE NOT TURNED.

WE CERTAINLY WOULD NOT HAVE HAD THE HOUSES BACK.

WE SEEM TO BE FAR MORE SENSITIVE TO WHAT, AND FRANKLY OUTRAGED, THE MORE THEY HEAR ABOUT TRUMP.

IT'S TAKEN QUITE A LOT TO TURN THEM.

>> BUT HOW COULD ANYBODY BE MORE OUTRAGED THAN AFTER HEARING THAT ACCESS HOLLYWOOD TAPE OF HIM TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THEY LOVE IT WHEN YOU GRAB THEM BY THE GENITALS -- >> THEY VOTED FOR TRUMP IN THE LAST ELECTION AFTER THAT -- THAT SEXISM.

>> OKAY.

THINK ABOUT THE WOMEN WHO ACTUALLY MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO GO TO IMPEACHMENT.

IT WAS THOSE FRESHMAN DEMOCRATS.

YOU REMEMBER THAT LIST OF PEOPLE WHO HAD WORKED IN NATIONAL SECURITY?

MANY OF THEM WERE THE NEW WOMEN DEMOCRATS WHO WERE ELECTED IN DISTRICTS THAT WANT FOR TRUMP.

THIS REALLY WAS NOT PARTISAN.

WHEN THE REPUBLICANS IN HIS HEARING SAY, OH, YOU WANT TO HEAR HAVE THESE HEARINGS AND THE POLITICAL, IF WE WERE THINKING POLITICALLY WE WOULD'VE BEEN LIKE NANCY PELOSI FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS, AND WE WOULD NOT TOUCH THE IMPEACHMENT.

THE WAY WE WENT HOUSE IS THE WAY WE WIN DISTRICTS THAT TRUMP WON.

THOSE WOMEN ARE DEVOTED TO OUR NATIONAL SECURITY.

THEY CAME OUT AND WROTE THE LETTER.

WHEN NANCY GOT IT, SHE SAID, LOOK, IF THEY ARE WILLING TO DO IT, THEY ARE IN DISTRICTS THAT LIKE TRUMP AND THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND WILL DO IT.

I THINK WOMEN HAVE SORT OF COME TO THE POSITION.

>> IF I WHERE A DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST, I WOULD BE WEARY.

I THINK TO PATRICE'S POINT, I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF HOSTILITY TOWARDS TRUMP.

I DON'T THINK THIS IS REFLECTIVE OF WHAT MAY HAPPEN IN THE GENERAL ELECTION, AND I DO -- >> WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

>> I THINK A CHALLENGE FOR DEMOCRATS IS I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE POLITICAL AISLE WHO WANT MORE TRANSPARENCY IN GOVERNMENT AND WANT MORE GOVERNANCE ORDINANCES.

IF IT WERE TO REMEMBER THAT THIS IS A ONE-SIDED FLOW OF COMMUNICATION RIGHT NOW.

TRUMP IS NOT REALLY SAYING ANYTHING.

HE'S NOT CAMPAIGNING.

THERE IS NO SORT OF RESPONSE.

>> Bonnie: EXCUSE ME?

[CROSS TALK] >> HE WAS RESPONDING IN REAL TIME WHEN -- >> Bonnie: HE WAS SAYING HE WAS NOT WATCHING AND CALLING HER NAMES -- >> IS NOT A FULL CAMPAIGN.

>> NO.

I WOULD SAY WHEN YOU HAVE MEMBERS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY SITTING AS SUPPOSEDLY LISTENING TO THESE WITNESSES WITH SIGNS ABOVE THEM WITH SOUNDBITES, I WOULD SAY THEY ARE TRYING TO GET THEIR MESSAGE ACROSS.

INSTEAD OF ASKING QUESTIONS, THEY WERE ACTUALLY TESTIFYING.

>> I THINK THAT COULD BE SAID ABOUT THE DEMOCRATS AS WELL.

I THINK THE LEAST A PHONIC WAS A RISING STAR THAT CAME OUT OF THE IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS AND SHE'S REPUBLICAN FROM NEW YORK, YOUNG WOMAN WHO REPRESENTS I THINK AN IMPORTANT TOOL TO THE ADMINISTRATION BUT REPUBLICANS WHICH IS SHE MADE IT VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT IT WAS AND WAS NOT.

BUT IT ALSO SPEAKS TO, YOU KNOW, BROADLY WHEN WOMEN ARE NOT LISTENING TO THE IMPEACHMENT HEARING, WHEN ALL AMERICANS ARE LISTENING, THEY WANT THE BOTTOM LINE.

YOU CAN GO BACK AND FORTH ON WHAT THAT WILL BE.

TO MY POINT ABOUT 2020, ONLY LOOK AT 2018, WOMEN ARE VOTING I THINK REALLY RUN HEALTHCARE MORE THAN IT WAS ON A REBUKE ON TRUMP.

WHETHER REPUBLICANS OR CONSERVATIVES WERE ABLE TO PUT A MESSAGE FORWARD ON HEALTHCARE, THAT'S AN ISSUE.

FOR 2020, WILL IMPEACHMENT HAVE A BIG IMPACT ON WOMEN?

NO.

I THINK THERE IS STILL A LOT OF WOMEN WHO WILL SAY IS MY FAMILY SECURITY BETTER NOW?

IS MY HEALTHCARE -- MY HEALTHCARE OPTIONS ARE IMPORTANT FOR WOMEN, IMMIGRATION, EVEN SOCIAL ISSUES LIKE REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS, YOU KNOW, LIKE ABORTION OR PRO-LIFE BEING UPHELD, THOSE WILL BE RALLYING POINTS FOR THEM.

I THINK YOU WILL SEE THEM COME OUT -- >> BUT THEY CANNOT AVOID IMPEACHMENT.

WHEN YOU PUT ALL THOSE THINGS, HEALTHCARE, WHERE'S THE PRESIDENTS STAND ON THAT?

>> IS TRYING.

>> WHEN YOU BUT ALL THOSE THINGS ON THE TABLE AND PILE ON IMPEACHMENT, IT SEEMS TO ME YOU KNOW WHERE THE NEXT ELECTION MAY BE.

>> Bonnie: ON HEALTHCARE, JUST TO DIVERT FOR A MOMENT, OR DIVERGE, WITH THIS -- WITH CONTINUING TO DISEMBOWEL OBAMACARE IF YOU WILL, THEY ARE WAY MORE, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS IF NOT MILLIONS MORE PEOPLE WITHOUT HEALTH INSURANCE THEN WHEN TRUMP TOOK OFFICE.

>> YOU ALSO HAVE THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE REMOVED FROM THEIR URBAN INSURANCE PLANS BECAUSE OF OBAMACARE.

THEN YOU HAVE THE FIELD OF CANDIDATES ON THE LEFT YOU ARE PUSHING FOR MEDICARE FOR ALL WHICH WOULD -- THE ELIMINATION OF PRIVATE HEALTHCARE WILL NOT GO OVER WELL.

>> WHAT I FIND STRANGE ABOUT THIS CONVERSATION.

OUR COUNTRY IS DEBATING THE IMPEACHMENT OF A PRESIDENT BECAUSE IT'S ALLEGED HE DIVERTED FROM AMERICAN FOREIGN-POLICY FOR A DOMESTIC POLITICAL ADVENTURE TO, YOU KNOW, ADVANTAGE HIMSELF IN THE NEXT ELECTION THAT, BY THE WAY, WAS ADVANTAGE IN RUSSIA.

I MEAN, THIS IS A VERY BIG ISSUE FOR OUR DEMOCRACY.I THINK IF THE DEMOCRATS WOULD JUST GAIN THIS IMPEACHMENT ON WHETHER IT'S GOING TO HELP THEM OR HURT THEM IN 2020, WHICH SEEMS LIKE WHERE WE ALWAYS END UP TALKING, I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD'VE DONE IT.

I MEAN, I THINK THEY ARE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE DEMOCRACY -- >> Bonnie: WHEN YOU RAISE NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUES, FOR EXAMPLE, I DON'T KNOW HOW DEEPLY PEOPLE IN SO-CALLED MIDDLE AMERICA DELVE INTO THESE THINGSON'T THEY RECOGNIZE THAT BARGAINING WITH UKRAINE WAS HELPING RUSSIA WHO IS SUPPOSEDLY THAT AND PERHAPS CHINA STILL THE GREATEST COLD WAR ENEMY IN THE WORLD?

>> I MEAN, I THINK THEY WILL SAY, I TRUST THE PRESIDENT FOR WHOM IT'S IMPORTANT TO AND A LOT OF INTERNATIONAL CONFLICTS THAT THEY DON'T WANT THE UNITED STATES TO BE IN, THEY DON'T WANT THEIR CHILDREN, SONS, DAUGHTERS TO DIE.

I THINK THEY WILL LOOK AT HIS FOREIGN POLICY AND SAY, OKAY, WE WILL TRUST WITH THE PRESIDENT HAS TO SAY.

THE PRESIDENT SETS FOREIGN-POLICY AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE AMERICAN ELECTORATE BUT THE MANPOWER TO DO -- >> IS ALWAYS BEEN TENSION BETWEEN THE NSC AND STATE DEPARTMENT.

BUT TO DO THIS KIND OF DOUBLE CHANNELING WHERE THE AMBASSADOR FOR THE BILATERAL COUNTRY SHE REPRESENTS, UKRAINE, IS NOT RIGHT IN ON WHAT IS HAPPENING IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE WHITE HOUSE, IS HIGHLY UNUSUAL AND SUSPECT.

>> THERE ARE THINGS -- >> Bonnie: LET ME ASK YOU BECAUSE YOU WERE IN THE ROOM ALL LAST WEEK WHEN IT WAS GOING ON, HOW ABOUT THE WOMEN WHO TESTIFIED?

DO YOU THINK THEY CHANGED THE MINDS OF ANY WOMEN,?

BECAUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, FIONA HELD AND OF COURSE THE FORMER AMBASSADOR, BUT FIONA HELD TO ME WAS REALLY DIRECT -- RIGHT DIRECT ON POINT THE MOST MEMORABLE, I THINK, DESPITE THE FACT SHE MAY NOT HAVE MADE THE MOST IMPORTANT DISCLOSURES, THE MOST MEMORABLE TESTIMONY.

>> AND I APPRECIATED THE WAY SHE COMMUNICATED AND TALKED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO WOMEN SOMETIMES.

SHE SAID, YES, I DID BLOW UP, BUT AMBASSADOR SONDLAND, AND OF COURSE YOU MAY NOT KNOW THIS, BUT WHEN YOU ARE A WOMAN CAN YOU EXPRESS EMOTION, YOU ARE IMMEDIATELY SIDELINED AS EMOTIONALLY UNSTABLE EANWHILE, WE HAVE JIM JORDAN UP THERE, YOU KNOW, SEETHING AUDIBLY, SHOUTING AT WITNESSES, INTERRUPTING THE CHAIRMAN, AND, YOU KNOW, HEAR THE WOMEN, ALL WHO TESTIFIED WERE COMPLETELY PROFESSIONAL AND THEIR VOICES DID NOT RANGE.

THEY KNEW THEY WERE IN A BOX.

THEY STAYED IN THEIR BOX.

THE MEN WERE NOT DOING THAT, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WOMEN WATCHING THAT BUT HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I BEEN IN A MEETING OR BOARD ROOM OR AT WORK AND THIS IS PLAYED OUT?

>> FIRST OF ALL, IS AN INTERESTING HOW MANY WOMEN HAVE COME FORWARD AS AUTHORITATIVE, CREDIBLE WITNESSES?

AMERICA SAW WOMEN WHO UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS HAPPENING, WHO WERE UNAFRAID TO COME FORWARD, DESPITE THE PRESIDENT HAVING SAID, REMEMBERING THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, THAT THEY SHOULD NOT COME.

SEEMS TO ME THEY SAW COURAGE AND AUTHORITATIVE COURAGE.

>> AND POMPEO AND BOLTON AND OTHERS COULD'VE DONE THE SAME.

>> THE ONLY POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE WAS NOT IN DEFENSE OF THE PRESIDENT AT ALLT'S FROM A PUBLIC OPINION PERSPECTIVE.

IT'S VERY HARD TO CHANGE PEOPLE'S OPINIONS AND MORE IMPORTANTLY THEIR BEHAVIOR.

AND SO I THINK SOMETHING THAT'S SORT OF FORGOTTEN IS WHEN PEOPLE VOTED AND WHEN WOMEN VOTED FOR TRUMP, THEY KNEW HE WAS A FAR FROM PERFECT PERSON, RIGHT?

SOME MORE INFORMATION ON HOW HE MAY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH SORT OF BAD BEHAVIOR DOES NOT NECESSARILY GET THEM TO CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR BECAUSE THEY ALREADY KNOW THIS.

WHAT YOU WHAT TO DO WHEN YOU WANT TO CHANGE SOMEONE'S OPINION OR BEHAVIOR IS INTRODUCE NEW INFORMATION.

THEY ARE NOT GETTING THAT.

I THINK THAT SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WILL BE SURPRISED THAT, WOW, WOMEN ARE STILL FIGHTING FOR HIM?

YES, THEY ARE EXPECT THIS FROM HIM.

>> Bonnie: YOU THINK THE MAJORITY OF WHITE WOMEN WILL SUPPORT HIM AGAIN IN 2020, >> I DON'T HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, CRYSTAL BALL, BUT I THINK WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHO THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE IS.

MAYBE YOU VERY DIFFERENT GAME IF NOT BITING GETS THE NOMINATION.

>> I WOULD SAVE THE YOU CAN ON CHANGES, THAT WILL BE A HUGE CALCULUS.

>> YOU DID YOU SAW WHAT THEY DID IN THE LAST ELECTION.

>> THAT'S WHY THEY ARE TRYING TO KILL BIDEN.

THEY ARE TRYING TO GO AFTER HIS CANDIDACY, BECAUSE THEY KNOW HE WOULD HAVE CROSSOVER APPEAL.

>> WHAT ABOUT ACTUAL IMPEACHMENT?

HOW WILL THAT PLAY?

IN OTHER GOING TO BE MORE ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT?

MEAN, YOU READ THE LEGAL -- THE LEGAL EXPERTS TALKING ABOUT THIS AND THEY ARE SO MANY GROUNDS ON WHICH HE COULD BE IMPEACHED.

EMOLUMENTS, THERE HAS BEEN SO MUCH PERSONAL -- >> THIS WEEK ABOUT THE RAPE CHARGE.

WHAT WHEN THAT?

>> WHY HAVEN'T --, DEMOCRATS, BEING CLEVER BEEN ARE CLOSER TO ZERO IN ON THE ONE ARTICLE WHERE IT WOULD BE EASIEST TO IMPEACH A PRESIDENT.

HE KEEPS PILING ON HIMSELF MORE ARTICLES, AND I THINK YOU WILL SEE THEM SURROUND BUT I THINK WE WILL CONTINUE TO SEE THE DEMOCRATS KEEP THEIR FOCUS SO THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON'T LOSE THEIRS.

>> BUT I THINK THE VOTERS WANT THEM TO SHIFT THE FOCUS POINT.

>> TO WHAT?

YOU SAW ON THE DEMOCRATIC STAGE THE OTHER NIGHT THAT EVERY TIME ONE OF THE CANDIDATES WAS ASKED ABOUT IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS, THEY WANTED TO GIVE IT TO A POLICY DISCUSSION.

I THINK THAT'S A VERY TELLING, IS THAT THEY ARE OUT THERE IN AMERICA SPEAKING TO VOTERS AND THEY ARE HEARING THEIR VOTERS WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS THE DEMOCRATIC PLATFORM.

I THINK THAT PUTS DEMOCRATS IN A VERY TRICKY POSITION.

I DON'T FAULT THEM FOR TRYING TO GO AFTER THE PRESIDENT.

IT'S PARTLY THEIR JOB, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE TO BE PLAYING OFFENSE, NOT JUST DEFENSE.

>> BUT THEY ARE NOT THINKING POLITICS, BUT THEY ARE THINKING OVERSIGHT WHICH IS THE RESPONSIBILITY.

>> IT IS.

>> YOU CANNOT BE IN ONE LANE.

>> Bonnie: SWITCHING TO THE NEXT TOPIC.

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FROM WOMEN AND IMPEACHMENT TO FIRE DRILL FRIDAYS.

>> THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO MOVE UP TO THE NEXT LEVEL, RAGE AND CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE.

>> Bonnie: FOR NEARLY 2 MONTHS JANE FONDA HAS BEEN LEADING PROTESTS ON CAPITOL HILL TO BRING ATTENTION TO CLIMATE CHANGE, EVEN GETTING HERSELF ARRESTED FOUR TIMES EACH WEEK THE PROTESTS HAVE A DIFFERENT FOCUS.

THE WEEK TO THE CONTRARY CAUGHT UP WITH FONDA, HER CO-STARS AND PROTESTORS THE ISSUE WAS ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE.

>> Jane Fonda: THE DEVASTATING IMPACT OF FOSSIL FUELS AND CLIMATE CHANGE ARE NOT SHARED EQUALLY AROUND THE COUNTRY OR AROUND THE WORLD.

ANY REAL SOLUTION TO CLIMATE CHANGE MUST HAVE A STRONG COMMITMENT TO ENVIRONMENTAL GENDER AND RACIAL JUSTICE AT ITS CORE.

[APPLAUSE] >> Jane Fonda: SEVERING THE MOST IMPACTED COMMUNITIES RESPECTING INDIGENOUS RIGHTS AND ENSURING THAT NO ONE, YEAH, THAT NO ONE IS EXCLUDED OR LEFT BEHIND IN THE TRANSITION TO A CLEAN RENEWABLE ENERGY ECONOMY AND THAT'S WHAT THE GREEN NEW DEAL PROMISES.

>> Khadija Khokar: I A.M. AN ENVIRONMENTAL ACTIVIST.

I A.M. A MEMBER OF THE YOUTH, I A.M.

THE DAUGHTER OF IMMIGRANTS AND FIRST AND FOREMOST I A.M. A WOMAN OF COLOR.

>> Bonnie: EIGHTEEN YEAR-OLD KHADIJA KHOKAR HAS BEEN HOLDING HER OWN CLIMATE STRIKES FIRST IN DETROIT AND NOW AT THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS IN WASHINGTON D.C.. FOR AT LEAST A YEAR NOW.

SHE CALLS THEM FRIDAYS FOR FUTURE AND INVITES YOUNG PEOPLE TO JOIN HER.

>> Khadija Khokar: ACCORDING TO THE EPA, BLACK AMERICANS ARE THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DIE FROM AIR POLLUTION IN THE UNITED STATES.

SO THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE OF DEVELOPING COUNTRY OF INDIA OR INDONESIA OR PHILIPPINES.

IT'S HAPPENING RIGHT IN OUR OWN BACKYARDS.

>> Bonnie: SO, MEGAN, FIRST OF ALL, JANE FONDA, REMEMBER JANE FONDA IN THE '70s AND ALL THE AWFUL BLOWBACK SHE GOT FROM HER VIETNAM WAR PROTEST.AS SHE REDEEMED HERSELF WITH THESE CLIMATE CHANGE PROTESTS?

>> YOU KNOW, I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO INTERVIEW HER AT A CONFERENCE THAT WE DID RIGHT AFTER SHE WAS ARRESTED THE FIRST TIME, AND I SAID, WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS, JANE?

YOU ARE 82 YEARS OLD.

SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, MEGAN, WHEN I SAW LITTLE GRETA THUNBERG, AND HOW EVERYONE ATTACKED HER AND THAT SHE WAS SPEAKING FROM HER HEART AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW -- SHE ACTUALLY HAD ALL THE FACTS.

BUT SHE SAID A YOUNG PERSON WORRIED ABOUT THE FUTURE, ALL I COULD THINK OF WAS I WANT TO HELP HER.

IT FELT TO ME LIKE SHE MAY BE SAW HERSELF A BIT.

SHE SAID, I'M 82 YEARS OLD AND I HAVE A LOT OF INFLUENCE.

WHAT CAN I DO TO HELP?

LITTLE RED IS DOING FRIDAY'S FOR THE FUTURE.

SHE SAID I WILL DO THE FIRE DRILL FRIDAY, I WILL, WASHINGTON, AND I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH HEROU CAN SAY, WELL, IT'S ELITIST, THESE HOLLYWOOD PEOPLE COME.

BUT TO ME IT WAS SO AUTHENTIC.

THE WAY EVERY FRIDAY SHE PUT TOGETHER THIS PROGRAM, IS VERY DEEP.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT HAS PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS OF OUR CLIMATE CHANGE.

I AM VERY IMPRESSED WITH HER EX I THINK ELITE IS A GREAT WORD.

I THINK -- I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DON'T THINK SHE RESONATES WITH A LOT OF AMERICANS.

THE BEAUTIFUL RED COAT SHE WAS WEARING, SHE SAID SHE GOT AT NEIMAN MARCUS ON SALE FOR JUST $500!

WOW!

WHEN 40 PERCENT OF AMERICANS CANNOT COME UP WITH $400 IN AN EMERGENCY.

IT'S FINE FOR CELEBRITIES TO WANT TO TRY TO BRING THEIR INFLUENCE AND POWER TO -- >> I'M SUPPOSED TO HER KNOCKING HER PERSONALLY AFTER TAKING HER OWN ON THE ISSUE.

IS IT BECAUSE YOU CANNOT TAKE HER ON ON THE ISSUE?

>> NO.

I'M SAYING THERE IS AN ELITIST -- PLEASE JUMP IN HERE, BUT I THINK THERE IS ELITISM THAT COMES WITH A LOT OF CELEBRITIES SAYING THEY ARE LENDING THEIR STAR POWER TO THESE ISSUES,AND I DON'T THINK THEY ACTUALLY WIN PEOPLE OVER.

MAYBE THEY HYPE UP OF THOSE WHO ARE ALREADY ON THEIR SIDE .

>> Bonnie: I THINK TAYLOR SWIFT MAY HAVE AN ARGUMENT WITH YOU THERE.NYWAY, GO AHEAD.

>> THIS IS THE ISSUE OF NOT ONLY OUR TIME, BUT FOR ALL TIME.

>> Bonnie: AND FOR YOUNG PEOPLE.

>> WELL, PARTICULARLY FOR YOUNG PEOPLE.

A LOT OF US WON'T BE AROUND TO SEE THE WORLD, THE CLIMATE COLLAPSE ON OUR HEADS VIRTUALLY.

SO IT REALLY DOES SEEM TO ME VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THAT, IN FACT, I AM SURPRISED THAT WE HAVE NOT HEARD MORE -- AND THE REASON WE HAVE NOT HEARD MORE, NUMBER ONE, THE DEMOCRATS HAVE NOT BEEN IN POWER AND REPUBLICANS DON'T BELIEVE IN CLIMATE CHANGE AND NUMBER TWO -- >> WELL -- >> LISTEN TO YOUR PRESIDENT WHO RECENTLY SAID HE DOES NOT BELIEVE.

AND BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE LEADERSHIP OR HAVE NOT HAD LEADERSHIP AND OUR BILLS AND WE HAVE PAST THE CLIMATE CHANGE BILLS CANNOT GET PASSED IN THE SENATE, SOMEBODY HAS TO DO THE WORK!

SO WHO IS DOING THE WORK?

THANK YOU, MOVIE STARS, FOR STEPPING UP TO AWAKEN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO THIS MOST CRITICAL OF ISSUE.

>> Bonnie: LAST WORD, SABRINA?

>> I DON'T CRITICIZE ANYONE FOR HAVING AN OPINION.

SHE'S RIGHT TO HAVE AN OPINION AND TO DO SOMETHING AS MUCH AS ANY OF US AT THIS TABLE ARE.

Y CONCERN IS WHEN WE HAVE SOME OF THESE MARCHES IS THAT IT GLOSSES OVER THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN ANSWER TO THE DETAILS.

I WAS LOOKING AT ALL OF THE POLICIES THAT HAVE GONE INTO EFFECT AROUND THE WORLD, BECAUSE LOTS OF COUNTRIES ARE TRYING TO DO THINGS.

A PRIVATE MARKET IS TRYING TO DO THINGS.

IT'S NOT PERFECT.

I DON'T AGREE WITH ALL THESE POLICIESN EFFECT, LOOP WE PUT COAL OUT OF BUSINESS IN HERE IN AMERICA AND CANADA.

-- >> COLE -- [CROSS TALK] >> MY POINT IS THIS, OKAY: PEOPLE HAVE NOT PUT COAL OUT OF INDUSTRIES.

>> THERE IS A MARKET.

>> IT IS GONE OUT OF FAVORITE BECAUSE IT'S EXPENSIVE AND BECAUSE MIDDLE AMERICA ONCE CLEAN AIR FOR THEIR CHILDREN TO BREATHE.

>> MY POINT WAS THAT THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN A MOVEMENT TOWARDS CLEANER ENERGY AND ATTEMPTS THE POLICIES, WHETHER THE CARBON TAX, WHETHER IT'S ALTERNATIVE FUELS -- >> THESE ARE NOT THINGS PROMOTED BY THE ADMINISTRATION.

>> MAY I FINISH FOR ONE SECOND?

THERE ARE LOTS OF THINGS HAPPENING.

WHEN WE GET SOMEONE UP TO A MICROPHONE TO GET PEOPLE ANGRY, IT IGNORES THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AND WHERE WE MEET WAY WANT TO PUT OUR ATTENTION AND WHERE YOU WANT TO DOUBLE DOWN IN CERTAIN AREAS OR, HEY, THERE IS MORE FUEL EFFICIENT CARS ON THE ROADS TODAY THAN THEY WERE 10 YEARS AGO.

WHAT MORE CAN WE BE DOING ON THAT FRONT?

INSTEAD OF ACTING AS IF EVERYONE IS STRUGGLING THEIR SHOULDERS AND NOT DOING ANYTHING, I THINK IT'S A MISREPRESENTATION AND IT DOES NOT DO GOOD FOR THE MOVEMENT.

>> Bonnie: WE HAVE TO SWITCH TO THE NEXT TOPIC BUT I THINK TO NOT RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS THE PRESIDENT HE WAS DOING MORE THAN ANY PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY TO DENIGRATE THE ENVIRONMENT -- >> CLIMATE CHANGE -- >> INCLUDING YOU TALK ABOUT MORE CARS ON THE ROAD THAT ARE FUEL-EFFICIENT, HE WANTS TO GET RID OF THE CAF STANDARDS WHICH, BY THE WAY, IS THE REASON -- >> I'M NOT HERE TO DEFEND THE PRESIDENT [CROSS TALK] >> YOU CANNOT IGNORE THE FACT THAT THIS GUY IS NOT JUST NEUTRAL ON THIS ISSUE.

HE IS -- HE IS OUT TO DESTROY THE ENVIRONMENT.

>> THAT'S A -- [CROSS TALK] >> IT'S TRUE!

>> IS LETTING A CANADIAN COMPANY COME INTO DRILL FOR SOME -- I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S GAS OR OIL, IN A NATIONAL PARK GROUNDS IN THE BEARS YEARS NATIONAL PARK, A CANADIAN COMPANY!

NOT EVEN AN AMERICAN COMPANY.

YOU HAVE TO WATCH WHAT'S GOING ON.

>>> FROM CLIMATE CHANGE TO #METOO: WE HAVE DISCUSSED THE IMPACT OF THE #METOO MOVEMENT AND INTERVIEWED ITS LEADERS MANY TIMES ON THIS PROGRAM.

BUT THIS WEEK, WE SAW THE FIRST PALPABLE EVIDENCE THAT IT HAS HELPED WOMEN, AT LEAST WOMEN IN CORPORATIONS.

THE CONFERENCE BOARD, A NONPARTISAN THINK TANK REPORTS FIVE CEO'S OF S&P 500 COMPANIES WERE OUSTED LAST YEAR DUE TO #METOO -RELATED MISCONDUCT.

THOSE FIVE OUSTERS REPRESENT MORE THAN 40 PERCENT OF ALL CEO DISMISSALS LAST YEAR.

CUE THE DRUM ROLL FOR THE #METOO MOVEMENT.

HOWEVER, THERE WAS ALSO SOME BAD NEWS FOR WOMEN IN THAT REPORT: IT IS THAT AT THE END OF 2018, WOMEN HELD 22 CEO POSITIONS IN THE S&P 500, DOWN FROM A RECORD 27 THE YEAR PRIOR.

SO, SABRINA, WHAT DOES THIS SAY ABOUT THE IMPACT, THE PALPABLE IMPACT THE #METOO MOVEMENT IS HAVING ASIDE FROM GENERATING INTEREST IN NEWS ARTICLES AND LARGE MARGINS, THAT IT'S REALLY IMPACTING CORPORATIONS, >> WELL, I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO CALL OUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE BAD BEHAVIOR AND BAD ACTIONS, ABSOLUTELY.

I DON'T THINK THAT WOMEN'S SUCCESS IN THE C SUITE IS NECESSARILY TIED.

IT'S CORRELATED, PERHAPS, BUT NOT DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO SAY THAT MEN'S LOSSES ARE WOMEN'S GAINS.

>> I CANNOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE.

WE HAVE TO COUNT THIS AS GAINS THAT WHEN THESE TOP EXECUTIVES ARE EXPOSED BY WOMEN WELL BELOW THEM, THEY HAVE TO GO.

AT THE SAME TIME, THERE IS NO CORRELATION AND, IN FACT, WE SHOULD BEMOAN THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO CORRELATION BECAUSE YOU WOULD THINK THAT A CORPORATION OUGHT TO SHOW ITS GOOD SIDE TO PUT A WOMAN IN CHARGE AND SAY, SEE?

WE HAVE LEARNED.

>> I HAVE ALL THIS TIME NOT BEEN FOR QUOTAS.

IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WE CAN DO IS QUOTE IS BECAUSE WE ARE 51 IN THE WORLD ON GENDER EQUALITY ACCORDING TO THE WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM, A FEMINIST ORGANIZATION.

>> I THINK THE CHALLENGE OF PART OF COMING OUT OF ME TOO, IS THAT MALE MANAGERS FEEL COMFORTABLE BEING AROUND WOMEN.

LEAN INTO ORG SURVEY FOUND OVER 40 PERCENT OF MALE MANAGERS DON'T WANT US HAVING SOLO MEETINGS, DON'T WANT TO SOCIALIZE OR DON'T WANT TO MENTOR.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT FOR THE PIPELINE FOR WOMEN INTO SEA SWEETS, IT WILL COME THROUGH MENTORSHIP ALSO THINK THERE ARE WOMEN WHO JUST WANT TO BE THEIR OWN BOSS.

WE ARE SEEING ENTREPRENEURSHIP TAKING UP AMONG WOMEN.

MAY NOT BE SUCH A BAD THING IF WE DON'T SEE ATTENDANCE FEMALE CEOS.

>> Bonnie: DO YOU SEE A CORRELATION, THEN, BETWEEN BRINGING CEOS DOWN DUE TO #METOO KIND OF BEHAVIORS AND FEWER WOMEN CEOS -- THE NUMBERS IS TUMBLING FROM 27Ö2 IN ONE YEAR, >> THERE PROBABLY IS A CORRELATION.

I THINK IT'S STRONGER AROUND THE PIPELINE.

IF THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH WOMEN WHO ARE ON THE CEO TRACK TO BEGIN WITH AND GET MENTOR ALONG THE WAY, YOU'RE JUST NOT GOING TO -- >>.

>> Bonnie: THAT'S IT FOR THIS EDITION.

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